Re Heschel’s “Concepts are delicious snacks with which we try to alleviate our amazement.” (1971:7) “If amazement is a good thing why would we want to alleviate it?”

Some comments re Heschel’s,
“Concepts are delicious snacks with which we try to alleviate our amazement.” (1971:7)

A member of our One Garden group asked for comments on; “Assuming amazement as something good I want to enhance or amplify it not alleviate it.” (?)

As a question I’m reading that as, “If amazement is a good thing why would we want to alleviate it?”

COMMENTS:
It’s not the amazement that needs alleviating it is our spiritual hunger that needs alleviating – the hunger to be at-one – and to be free of the burden, and suffering, of egoic self.

Concepts, like food snacks, won’t satisfy us compared to the real thing, a proper spiritual meal – which is to rest as our Nondual self – to rest as awareness (substantially ) free of self.

The ‘snacks quotation’ relates to the ‘Citizens of two realms’ quotation. Here is a slightly longer version of the ‘Citizens of Two Realms’ extract’;

“The Search for reason ends at the known; on the immense expanse beyond it only the sense of the ineffable can glide. It alone knows the route to that which is remote from experience and understanding.

Neither of them is amphibious: reason cannot go beyond the shore, and the sense of the ineffable is out of place where we measure, where we weigh.

We do not leave the shore of the known in search of adventure or suspense or because of the failure of reason to answer our questions. We sail because our mind is like a fantastic seashell, and when applying our ear to its lips we hear a perpetual murmur from the waves beyond the shore.

Citizens of two realms, we all must sustain a dual allegiance: we sense the ineffable in one realm, we name and exploit reality in another.

Between the two we set up a system of references, but we can never fill the gap.

They are as far and as close to each other as time and calendar, as violin and melody, as life and what lies beyond the last breath.”
― Abraham Joshua Heschel, Man Is Not Alone: A Philosophy of Religion.

A saying not by Heschel is helpful “The larger the island of knowledge, the longer the shoreline of wonder.” – (source unknown though many have used it e.g.Huston Smith)

My reading of Heschel is that he is describing the dual world as the ‘island of knowledge’ and the nondual as ‘wonder’ – the ineffable experience of the Whole, of Mystery – that another great mystic, Einstein, wrote about so beautifully;

“The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed. This insight into the mystery of life, coupled though it be with fear, has also given rise to religion. To know that what is impenetrable to us really exists, manifesting itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty which our dull faculties can comprehend only in their most primitive forms— this knowledge, this feeling, is at the center of true religiousness. In this sense, and in this sense only, I belong in the ranks of devoutly religious men.” http://sciphilos.info/docs_pages/docs_Einstein_fulltext_css.html

Wonderment is the state we are in when, with selfing subdued, we enter the mystical, Nondual, state – the home of our true Self.

Wondering is the head process of philosophizing – and belongs to the dual realm.

Here is Heschel seeming to say that ‘wonder’ is ‘radical amazement’-l http://www.awakin.org/read/view.php?tid=1080

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KNOWING – Two Kinds of Intelligence – Rumi

Two Kinds of Intelligence – Rumi

There are two kinds of intelligence: one acquired,
as a child in school memorizes facts and concepts
from books and from what the teacher says,
collecting information from the traditional sciences
as well as from the new sciences.

With such intelligence you rise in the world.
You get ranked ahead or behind others
in regard to your competence in retaining
information. You stroll with this intelligence
in and out of fields of knowledge, getting always more
marks on your preserving tablets.

There is another kind of tablet, one
already completed and preserved inside you.
A spring overflowing its springbox. A freshness
in the center of the chest. This other intelligence
does not turn yellow or stagnate. It’s fluid,
and it doesn’t move from outside to inside
through conduits of plumbing-learning.

This second knowing is a fountainhead
from within you, moving out. http://allpoetry.com/Two-Kinds-of-Intelligence

LONG LIVE DUALITY THE TEN THOUSAND THINGS AND…

LONG LIVE DUALITY, THE TEN THOUSAND THINGS AND CONCEPTS

I laughed with delight when I came across the quotation below said to be from Chuang Tzu – in Tales From the Tao by Solala Towler.

Why?

Because there are so many who teach nonduality and they seem negative or contemptuous of the glorious world of duality. For me the old master nails the fact that humans fly with two wings – one of duality, one of nonduality.

“Where can I find a man who has forgotten words?

I would like to have a word with him.” – Chuang Tzu

Two other masters have said something similar’

The great Master Dogen said
“To study the Buddha Way is to study the self,
to study the self is to forget the self, and
to forget the self is to be enlightened by the ten thousand things.”
To be enlightened by the ten thousand things is to recognize the unity of the self and the ten thousand things.

“Concepts are delicious snacks with which we try to alleviate our amazement.” (A J Heschel)

Time and space are thought’s way of conceptualizing…

Time and space are thought’s way of conceptualizing the eternal and infinite nature of Awareness. –
Robert Spira

The Kingdom of Names I think is more…

The Kingdom of Names I think is more than the Names and Attributes of God. It is everything that we name. God is beyond any naming, any naming in relation to God falls short i.e is infinitely less than that to which we refer.

Zen masters will rarely use the name God – they ‘point’ – which is all we can do when we refer to that which is beyond The Kingdom of Names.

The realm of the Names and Attributes of God itself seems to me to be a) beyond all human ken but b) is also the Holy Spirit which the force behind every thing – every plant, and minerals animal and person.

The great Abraham Josuha Heschel said;

“Concepts are delicious snacks with which we try to alleviate our amazement.”

Concepts are (part of ) the Kingdom of names.

Amazement is wordless, concept-less, unitive connection within the Divine Whole – also known as Wonder-ment, or mystical union.

Q 1) “What is it to be positively & full…

Q 1) “What is it to be positively & fully human?” = the most important of all questions. My answers are in 2 and 3 below.

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Q 2) “What is it to function holistically?”

Ultimately my answer =

“To proceed in all particulars with a sense of the whole.”

But in steps along the path of development it is

“ consciously connecting ever-widening contexts, and
realizing encounters with the whole.”

Two quotations that are key to understanding.

Firstly Jung’s,
“The utterances of the heart— unlike those of the discriminating intellect— always relate to the whole.”

Secondly Heschel’s;
“Concepts are delicious snacks with which we try to alleviate our amazement.”

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Q 3) How in one sentence does my PhD answer the question, “How should we educate to create a paradigm shift in education?”

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The SunWALK model of spiritualizing (or humanizing) pedagogy sees human education as:

the storied development of meaning, which is
constructed, and de-constructed,
physically, mentally and spiritually, through
Wise & Willing Action, via
Loving and Knowing – developed in
Community, through the
‘Dialectical Spiritualization’ of
Caring, Creativity & Critically, processes, all undertaken in the light of the
‘Sun’ of chosen higher-order values and beliefs, using
best available, appropriate content.

NB Please see these 3 questions, and suggested answers, as the context for all postings and pages on these sites.